I threw together this little video because so many people asked me about French-ruled paper and how it works. It's pretty straightforward, really. Just watch the vid, it's only 5 minutes ;)
Writing with French rule paper is actually a bit more complicated than this.
I'd direct your attention to the following link: http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/30193-for-what-is-french-ruled-notepaper-used/page__view__findpost__p__291114
He includes a picture of the alphabet as written on Seyes paper.
Here's a quote from his text:
"- Capital letters are supposed to be 3 thin line high and 2 thin lines below for lower loops if any. - Lower case letters * main part is supposed to be written between the base bold line and the first thin line up. * upper loops are to be made up to the third thin line up * upper strokes are made up to the second thin line up. * lower loops and lower stokes (as in "p") are made down to the second thin line down"
It's still a great video as per usual. You are really getting good at these stuff! It seems you've got a really Goulet style emerging!
What's more, it is still a very very useful intro into Seyes / French Ruled paper. I don't think there is an absolute right or wrong to it, but the traditional use is a bit different than your video.
Thanks Dizzy! I was going more for the 'Americanized' use of it, aka, simplified! Maybe I can do a 'part 2' with the traditional French use after a little more research ;)
I didn't learn much in school in France (I was only there for just over a year and I am no good at languages) but I still use Séyès paper myself and in my teaching.
I still have the note my French teacher wrote for me (in English) telling me how to use Séyès:
"Lower case letters:
- round letters (or the round part of lower case letters) must be contained above the solid base line and below the first feint line; - tall letters reach the third feint line; - letters going below the base line must not drop more than one line; and, - t is special, it reaches the second feint line and should be crossed just above the first feint line.
Upper case letters:
Capital letters go up to the third feint line and, if necessary, may go below the base line to the next feint line."
I always had and have trouble keeping my below the line lower case letters from going to low - it was easier when my knuckles were rapped with a steel ruler in class, but now I admit to being lax on that rule!
Hi Brian, I was just going to clarify the correct way to write on séyès paper: I'm French-born and schooled... but then I read Dizzypen's comment and he's absolutely correct! I'm glad you guys carry Clairfontaine's, because it has such a smooth surface, the fountain pens just glide on them (yes, in French schools we also had to use fountains in addition to that kind of paper, so it kinda sticked with me and I just don't feel confortable using anything else as writing instrument). I've been referred to your store and blog by Joanne Sharpe and it's blowing me away... now I just need to decide which fountain pens AND inks I'm going to get!
Writing with French rule paper is actually a bit more complicated than this.
ReplyDeleteI'd direct your attention to the following link: http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/30193-for-what-is-french-ruled-notepaper-used/page__view__findpost__p__291114
He includes a picture of the alphabet as written on Seyes paper.
Here's a quote from his text:
"- Capital letters are supposed to be 3 thin line high and 2 thin lines below for lower loops if any.
- Lower case letters
* main part is supposed to be written between the base bold line and the first thin line up.
* upper loops are to be made up to the third thin line up
* upper strokes are made up to the second thin line up.
* lower loops and lower stokes (as in "p") are made down to the second thin line down"
HTH
I guess I was over-simpliying a bit...I suppose even I have a lot to learn when it comes to séyès!
ReplyDeleteRef "Writing with French rule paper is actually a bit more complicated than this.
ReplyDeleteI'd direct your attention to the following link:"
I don't think you need to tell BG how to suck eggs, Dizzy. He was part of that thread you referenced so he's obviously read it.
I'm just being helpful and Brian knows that. I've had many a conversation with him including doing a couple guest blog post for him.
ReplyDeleteLearn some manners "rotomfan".
I'm glad you pointed it out to me Dizzy! I just wish I'd paid closer attention to the thread before I made the video :P
ReplyDeleteIt's still a great video as per usual. You are really getting good at these stuff! It seems you've got a really Goulet style emerging!
ReplyDeleteWhat's more, it is still a very very useful intro into Seyes / French Ruled paper. I don't think there is an absolute right or wrong to it, but the traditional use is a bit different than your video.
Take care, and keep the videos coming. :D
Thanks Dizzy! I was going more for the 'Americanized' use of it, aka, simplified! Maybe I can do a 'part 2' with the traditional French use after a little more research ;)
ReplyDeleteConcerning this little dustup, I'd say the only one who needs any "manners" is the one who never learned to 'praise in public and correct in private.'
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed the colloquialism, RotomFan. You made your point quite nicely. ;-)
BTW, I know what a Rotom is, mischievous little Pokémon critter.
Brian,
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that in most of the world the "two hole" punch is also very common, more so than the three, four or five holed punch.
Good video though!
Brian,
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that in most of the world the "two hole" punch is also very common, more so than the three, four or five holed punch.
Good video though!
Concerning this little dustup, I'd say the only one who needs any "manners" is the one who never learned to 'praise in public and correct in private.'
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed the colloquialism, RotomFan. You made your point quite nicely. ;-)
BTW, I know what a Rotom is, mischievous little Pokémon critter.
I'm glad you pointed it out to me Dizzy! I just wish I'd paid closer attention to the thread before I made the video :P
ReplyDeleteI'm just being helpful and Brian knows that. I've had many a conversation with him including doing a couple guest blog post for him.
ReplyDeleteLearn some manners "rotomfan".
I didn't learn much in school in France (I was only there for just over a year and I am no good at languages) but I still use Séyès paper myself and in my teaching.
ReplyDeleteI still have the note my French teacher wrote for me (in English) telling me how to use Séyès:
"Lower case letters:
- round letters (or the round part of lower case letters) must be contained above the solid base line and below the first feint line;
- tall letters reach the third feint line;
- letters going below the base line must not drop more than one line; and,
- t is special, it reaches the second feint line and should be crossed just above the first feint line.
Upper case letters:
Capital letters go up to the third feint line and, if necessary, may go below the base line to the next feint line."
I always had and have trouble keeping my below the line lower case letters from going to low - it was easier when my knuckles were rapped with a steel ruler in class, but now I admit to being lax on that rule!
Hi Brian, I was just going to clarify the correct way to write on séyès paper: I'm French-born and schooled... but then I read Dizzypen's comment and he's absolutely correct! I'm glad you guys carry Clairfontaine's, because it has such a smooth surface, the fountain pens just glide on them (yes, in French schools we also had to use fountains in addition to that kind of paper, so it kinda sticked with me and I just don't feel confortable using anything else as writing instrument).
ReplyDeleteI've been referred to your store and blog by Joanne Sharpe and it's blowing me away... now I just need to decide which fountain pens AND inks I'm going to get!
Admittedly, I am not 'schooled' in the use of séyès paper, so I greatly appreciate being told the correct way to do it.
ReplyDeleteJoanne is great! She does some great work, and really enjoys teaching others about what she does. I'm glad you're enjoying my blog :)